Liberties over Security???

Can you believe everything the government can do to citizens? The President signed into law the Patriot Act and it has taken or can take many of our liberties away. Do you agree with this????

NO! Our liberties are being taken out underneath our noses and most Americans are cheering the gov. on. Very sad! Our founding fathers are probably rolling in their graves.

We always strike a balance between the two.

What is your specific complaint?

The people in office want you to think you have to choose between liberty or security. Between letting them in your bedroom, so to speak, or having a terrorist deliver a bomb-o-gram to your door tonight.

That might be their biggest lie yet. To smart people, they are as transparent as glass.

No this appears to be the start of the mark of the Beast. Our nation is falling apart God protected us before now it is going to come back too us.

If you are a terrorist, It may seem to you that you have lost some rights.
BUT WAIT, if you are a terrorist, you never had any rights to begin with.
Terrorists have no rights in any country.
Stop being a terrorist, and you will have all your rights and freedoms back.

Y'all shouldn't have voted for that ********. When the next elections happen.....CHANGE IT BACK!!!!!!. If those people who didn't vote are complaining....they shouldn't;A non-vote is always a vote against freedonm....

It is a very stupid idea to lose our privacy for the sake of creating an illusion of security around us. Does one really think that the hired security in the malls can nab the terrorists who keep on devising new ways to take innumerable lives? By giving up our privacy , we aare assisting them in achieving one of their goals, that is , to create terror in my mind why else do we calls terrorits and not crminals???
This loss of privacy usually always leads to rise of totalitarian governemnts who use and manipulate our fears to to get their way with about everything that is their in their agenda.

The land of the free?
Not any more.

Do I believe the Patriot Act has taken away liberties? No, I do not. Having made a better attempt to read it than most people who are not lawyers, and possibly more than the people that voted on it, I know a little bit about what it says. That gets nothing but a yawn from me.

For the most part, it expands existing laws. It is full of references to existing laws, making amendments by adding a phrase here, changing a word there, and because of that is pretty much unintelligible to anyone that doesn't have ready access to the US Code. For example, it changes the permissibility of issuing a warrant to listen in on a specific cell phone number to make it permissible to issue a warrant for any cell phone owned by a particular individual, even if they obtained it after the warrant was issued.

If the underlying laws that are being changed were not a problem to civil liberties, then neither is the Patriot Act. Since the ACLU, DNC, and my esteemed colleagues here on this board don't seem to have any problem with those underlying laws, then I see no reason why they should be up in arms about the Patriot Act, unless there is some underlying political motive.

Moreover, the reliance on the Fourth Amendment is in error. This protects "persons and papers" against "unreasonable searches and seizures". A cell phone conversation is neither the person nor papers, not even an electronic document, and eavesdropping is neither a search nor a seizure, and if the initiator of the call is outside the United States, the Fourth doesn't apply in the first place.

No, I'm not terribly frightened by the Patriot Act, and I probably am more sensitive to Liberty than the people that are, being a Libertarian. I'm more worried about the existence of the DEA and the SSA as a threat to liberty, since I find nothing in the Constitution that authorizes the federal government to perform the functions "delegated" to those agencies.

I agree

If youre an American making phone calls to your buddy ahmed in al qaeda, in my book you have a constitutional right to have your head blown off. but that is the punishment for treason in a time of war.

all the liberties in the world are WORTHLESS if all you are is a pile of ashing, mixed with burning jet fuel on the 82 floor