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The category "Law and Ethics" is the very name an oxymoron?


Are there any ethics left in the legal system? Or like proffessional sports has the legel system been ruined by way too much money and way over priced greedy lawyers?.

ADDED: Someone asked " I'm not sure where I'm goinng with this"
another asked what "sub catagory"?
Explaination..I was sued for a job I did 6 years ago. I am a builder and built a house ( shell only) the owner was supposed to finish. They ran out of money and were not up to the task anyway. They are suing me for totally false claims, blaintent outright lies.
But even though I have prevailed in court it has cost me over $8,000.00 to defend myself in court. Lawyer charges $200.00 an hour, and charges for every phone call and paper clip. The plaintiff has all the cards and causes me charges every time their attorney calls mine or sends more letters to him.

Hi,
I suppose it could be said that when you take an overview of the whole area of ethics and law it may be true to say that it could be called an oxymoron,But when the subject of law is broken down into separate categories ,for example medicine-medical research,then in my view there certainly is a strong relationship between law and ethics,as one really can't live without the other,
this could also be applied to other areas of law.
So I suppose there are two sides to the argument.
One is to argue that,as you say the idea of law and ethics is an oxymoron.
And the other is to say that all aspects of law/ethics can't be "Tarred with the same brush"
This subject falls into the same group of things guaranteed to get arguments going as Politics and Religion.
Plato recognised that One's interpretation of law will necessarily influence the interpretation of ethics, and vice-versa.
A very debatable subject indeed.

No it isn't. What makes you believe that the legal system or profession is unethical? Contrary to popular belief, lawyers do not get paid vast sums of money, although the partners of law firms get the big share.

As a lawyer, it took me years of night school, university, law school and training to get where I am, and I provide a very good service for which I charge a fee. Why should I work for free?

As for ethics I am bound by, and observe, the ethics of my profession.

Edit: Your problem isn't with the lawyers, it is with the person who promised to pay you and then didn't. The lawyer is charging you as he provided a service, very much the same way that you did. You expected to be paid in full, why shouldn't your lawyer?

Its been ruined by senile demented out of touch judges too..

No it isn't. Most laws are in place to uphold important ethics, for example the minimum wage and equal rights for men and women.

Not sure where you're coming from with this.

It might well depend on what sub-area of the law you're talking about, and even then which specific lawyer.

Look, do all football players breed dogs for fighting and kill the ones that lose? You don't think that, do you? Well, why assume that lawyers are generic?

Fact is that we're a heavily regulated profession. Each state closely monitors attorneys, and takes allegations of ethical breaches very seriously. It's an ethical violation to bounce a check on the client funds account, is there another profession that even comes close to that as a standard?

How about doctors? The idea that doctors have to talk to patients and explain their choices so they can consent to the procedure after being informed is relatively new. Twenty years or so ago, you go to a doctor, you get sedated, wake up and ask "what happened?" Today you get "informed consent" because lawyers gave that to you.

** Okay, I get it now.

Someone is being a dick and filing a frivolous lawsuit against you. You'd probably lose by missing a procedureal technicality if you didn't hire a lawyer, and you're unhappy at the lawyer because they won't give you their time and the benefit of the license they went to four years of college and three years of post graduate school to get at no charge to you.

Is that pretty much it?

I have the cure for it. Handle it yourself.

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