Re: Red States shutting down reproductive clinics?

Fearing mental and or physical deformity, suppose a pregnant alcoholic/ drug addled woman desired an abortion in a red state where such clinics have been all but shut down.

Not wanting to put the child up for adoption she raised him as best she could. But her worst fears came true. The child grew to have severe learning difficulties and later began having run-ins with the law. Finally the day came when he got into serious legal trouble and was sentenced to prison.

As a result, an ethical and moral question arises: should such a person be let out or should he continue to be railroaded into prison by those who forced his mother to give birth just because he didn鈥檛 turn out as they fantasized?

I think he should be let out no matter what he did. What do you think?

Do the crime, do the time. However, most people from red states are ignorant to the point of insanity.

Your question contradicts itself. A reprodcutive clinic is for birthing babies, not aborting them. Why not put up for adoption, she wanted to abort in the first place, so give the child to people who can raise them right. No, a person should not be given a free pass, just because. We all have choices here. I was raised in _(fill in the blank)________________-home therefore I am not responsible for my bad behaviour. Don't think so. I choose to live morally/ethically.

Society wanted him to be born so by all means once he has served his time in prison he should be allowed to be free. Perhaps he will continue on a dismal path but then again perhaps he was inundated with good Christians who volunteer to help rehabilitate prisoners who were once unwanted children.

I'm not sure what a reproductive center has to do with this though. If I'm not mistaken that would be a center trying to help people get pregnant. Perhaps you were speaking of abortion clinics?

I say let the Christians have him. They will know what to do.

I don't know about cutting him loose would be the right thing to do. After all crime cannot go unpunished, unless of course, it's perpetrated by a government official or someone in the legal profession.

This may help though.
Lifetime likelihood of going to State or Federal prison

If recent incarceration rates remain unchanged, an estimated 1 of every 15 persons (6.6%) will serve time in a prison during their lifetime.


Lifetime chances of a person going to prison are higher for
-- men (11.3%) than for women (1.8%)
-- blacks (18.6%) and Hispanics (10%) than for whites (3.4%)


Based on current rates of first incarceration, an estimated 32% of black males will enter State or Federal prison during their lifetime, compared to 17% of Hispanic males and 5.9% of white males.

Eventually some of us will end up in prison. Would we be allowed to get a free pass?
Those are stats given by the Department of Justice by the way.

Abortion clinics are closing up shop all over the United States. This is mainly due to the fact that very, very few physicians are willing to do the procedure. Moral objections and the stigma associated with terminating children in utero is more than they are willing to take on.

In a case such as you've outlined society has no moral obligation to give anyone a pass due to the circumstances of his/her birth or up-bringing. You do the crime, you do the time.

Really? you think he should be let out no matter what he did? OK.. hopefully he lives near you. As far as that goes, if this hypothetical person existed, the first time he commited a greivious crime he would be examined for competency, if he is mentally incapable of telling right from wrong he would be incarcerated in a mental facility that would prevent him from commiting more crime.
Now, say this same woman had an abortion, but that child was gifted and would have invented an alternate energy source.
where do your feelings lie now?

This person is still capable of making their own decisions, and if they choose to break the law, it's still their responsibility to face the consequences.

If you do the crime, you do the time!